Starting issues on an '07
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They do make relay removal tools.
Or you may have to remove the bottom part of the dash panel to gain better access to the fuse block.
Had to quit for the day. Went to roll up the passenger side window and it wouldn't work from the driver's side control, but it did work from the passenger door.
Decided to be smart again and figured since touching the relay and wires made the pwr window not work, pushing them in a little might correct the problem. Instead, it made it so the pwr window doesn't work from either the driver or passenger door control But at least the window was up.
Decided to be smart again and figured since touching the relay and wires made the pwr window not work, pushing them in a little might correct the problem. Instead, it made it so the pwr window doesn't work from either the driver or passenger door control But at least the window was up.
But, who knows??
Ask the resident electrical engineer (mr. know it all, ... grcauto)??
I've gotten the ignition switch off and back on ok for something else in the past, but I figured that 1. I wasn't going to get that relay out, 2, we wanted to drive that car out of town later in the week, and 3, since I had broken one thing already I didn't want to break anything else.
So I took it to a local repair shop that we've been happy with in the past.
They diagnosed a bad battery (two years old to the month) and a bad starter motor.
I told them they had replaced the starter last October - they said they'd do the starter under warranty and the battery $100. I asked about a two year old battery and he said something might have drained the battery.
After they fixed it - the charge was still $100 - he mentioned that the starter warranty was only 90 days but they'd replaced it anyway. He said they recharged the battery and it seemed ok. The 100 was for labor, which I'm ok with. When they replaced the starter last Oct. labor was $260.
Drove the car 350 miles ok, although there is a check engine light - today or tomorrow I'll take it to Advance and have them read it.
The passenger window can wait. When I get around to looking at it I'll start with basic troubleshooting.
The car has been starting just fine, so that issue is no more.
Thanks again for the suggestions - sorry for the long post!
So I took it to a local repair shop that we've been happy with in the past.
They diagnosed a bad battery (two years old to the month) and a bad starter motor.
I told them they had replaced the starter last October - they said they'd do the starter under warranty and the battery $100. I asked about a two year old battery and he said something might have drained the battery.
After they fixed it - the charge was still $100 - he mentioned that the starter warranty was only 90 days but they'd replaced it anyway. He said they recharged the battery and it seemed ok. The 100 was for labor, which I'm ok with. When they replaced the starter last Oct. labor was $260.
Drove the car 350 miles ok, although there is a check engine light - today or tomorrow I'll take it to Advance and have them read it.
The passenger window can wait. When I get around to looking at it I'll start with basic troubleshooting.
The car has been starting just fine, so that issue is no more.
Thanks again for the suggestions - sorry for the long post!
Check the link for service manual
https://www.workshopservicemanual.co...2007-2011.html
Hopefully this will help troubleshoot window issue.
Last edited by avisitor; May 5, 2022 at 01:33 AM.
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Your windows work by supplying the ground to the proper side of the motor. Up is one side and down the other. Do you know how three way switches work? The neutral is the stinger. Same with these switches they share a floating ground.
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According to the schematics, the passenger window switch has two grounds going to it. The third has the power.
When you pull up or push down on the switch, it disconnects one side of the ground and
and then connects the power to it. In other words, the motor is always connected to ground.
The switch determines which side gets disconnected from ground and power applied to it.
Front passenger window switch has three wires going to it Pin 3 orange, 4 brown, 5 green
Orange and green are grounds. Brown has power.
Pins 7 blue and 8 red go to the window motor.
Check out the service manual pages 22-190 and 22-191.
When you pull up or push down on the switch, it disconnects one side of the ground and
and then connects the power to it. In other words, the motor is always connected to ground.
The switch determines which side gets disconnected from ground and power applied to it.
Front passenger window switch has three wires going to it Pin 3 orange, 4 brown, 5 green
Orange and green are grounds. Brown has power.
Pins 7 blue and 8 red go to the window motor.
Check out the service manual pages 22-190 and 22-191.
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You have experience with other vehicles
But, not all vehicles use the same ground side switching (though most do)
And it is not used on all systems.
Still being that block of wood???
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Let's see the schematic.That will prove it.
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